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Missed Chances and Flukey Goals

Sierralta and Elliot in conversation

For once my travel planning went well and I arrived at Euston just as the 5:09 was about to leave, so was in Watford pleasingly early.  During the day, some of our group that had been intending to go to the game had to drop out due to various ailments meaning that the attendance at the West Herts was likely to be sparse.  I was saved with a guest appearance from Mike, a friend from City Orns, who was also without his usual football mates, so deigned to come and have a drink with me.  The turn out overall was very sparse in the bar, so I was not expecting much of a crowd.

We left in plenty of time for the game and there was no queue at the Rookery turnstiles, but they seemed to have upped the security.  The guy checking bags was complaining that he couldn’t see the contents.  Surely, he should have been equipped with a torch for an evening game.  Then I was told that I would have to be patted down.  I asked why they had started this and was told that they have been doing it for several weeks, which was clearly not the case as this was the first time that I had seen anyone being searched at those turnstiles.

Louza and debutant Tufan

Team news was that there would be debuts for Rob Elliot and Ozan Tufan.  The starting line-up was Elliot; Masina, Sierralta, Kabasele, Ngakia; Louza, Tufan, Gosling; Sema, Fletcher, Hernández.  Ben Wilmot was starting for Stoke and was given a really good reception by the Watford fans.

Prior to kick-off, there was a minute’s applause for Jimmy Greaves which was enthusiastically supported by all in the ground.

The game kicked off and there were early chances for both teams when, first Doughty for the visitors, and then Tufan for the Hornets blazed shots over the bar.  Stoke created the next chance after Tymon beat Louza and found Powell who shot wide of the near post.  The visitors opened the scoring on 25 minutes.  It came from a mistake from Ngakia who was trying to shepherd the ball out near the corner flag, Doughty nicked it off him and crossed for Powell who turned the ball in at the near post.  The Hornets tried to hit back after a lovely run from Hernández (who I failed to identify for 40 minutes due to his newly dark hair) who found Gosling who set up Masina for a shot that was parried by Davies, the ball found its way back to Gosling whose shot required a decent save from Davies to preserve the Stoke lead. 

Gathering for a corner

The Hornets threatened again when Sema crossed to the far post for Gosling whose header flew over the bar.  Watford should have drawn level after what looked like a mishit shot from Ngakia was headed back across goal by Kabasele to Masina, who had the goal at his mercy, but shot over the bar.  At the other end, Tymon hit a low shot from distance, but Elliot was down to make the save.  Then a cross from Hernández was headed clear to Masina who shot wide of the target.  The Hornets had another decent chance from a corner, when Kabasele’s header was blocked and the ball fell to Ngakia but the shot was over the bar.  The visitors had the last chance of the half, also from a corner, but Batth headed wide and we reached half time with the Hornets a goal down.

It was World Alzheimer’s Day so, at half time, a film about the Golden Memories scheme was shown on the big screen.  It was really lovely.  It is such an amazing project that is doing so much good for fans with dementia.  It was especially lovely to see Rita Taylor and Luther Blissett working as volunteers sharing memories with the fans.

Louza congratulates Fletcher on his goal as Sierralta looks very happy

The Hornets had an excellent chance at the start of the second half as Hernández crossed for Fletcher whose header was on target but Davies, again, managed to make the save.  The Hornets had another decent chance after a lovely cross-field pass from Louza found Hernández on the right, he advanced before cutting into the box to hit a shot that was deflected over the bar.  Another lovely move deserved more as Tufan played the ball out to Hernández who crossed for Fletcher, but his header was easily saved by Davies.  Watford threatened again as Masina crossed for Tufan whose header was dropping for Sema until Davies intervened.  Hernández was a complete menace at this stage and started the next move, playing the ball out to Tufan who crossed for Gosling whose header flew just past the top corner.  Just after the hour mark Fletcher found Hernández in the box, his shot was blocked by Davies, but dropped nicely for Fletcher who back heeled it over the line.  I checked that the lino wasn’t flagging before celebrating.  Michael in the row in front then checked that there was no VAR, so I knew I wasn’t the only one.  There was a double substitution for Stoke as Sima and Clucas replaced Surridge and Doughty.  The Hornets really should have taken the lead after Masina crossed to the back post for Hernández whose header rebounded back off the post and fell to Fletcher whose shot was deflected onto the same post.  How did that stay out? 

Gosling and Louza in conversation

Each side then made a change with Powell making way for Sawyers for the visitors and Sissoko replacing Louza for the Hornets.  Then, in the 80th minute, out of nowhere, Watford were behind again when Clucas hit a curling shot from the edge of the area that took a slight deflection before nestling in the far corner.  It was their first real chance of the half and very frustrating after what had been a wonderful spell from the Hornets.  Almost immediately, Dennis, who had been preparing to come on for a while, replaced Gosling.  He was involved in the next attack after Sema played the ball back to him, but his shot was blocked.  The visitors threatened to increase their lead when Clucas hit a curling shot from the edge of the area that bounced back off the crossbar.  Stoke scored their third with a total fluke as Tymon crossed, it flew over Elliot and somehow the ball was in the top corner.  I was a bit shell-shocked at this point and many in the home crowd decided that they had seen enough.  The Hornets had a really good chance to pull one back after Sema advanced down the left and cut the ball back for Sissoko, but the shot was blocked by Dennis!!  It really wasn’t our day.  Then Tufan tried a shot from distance, but Davies got a hand to it.  Into time added on, Dennis won a free kick, which was taken by Tufan who blazed it over the bar and into the Rookery.

A dark haired Cucho with Fletcher and Tufan

At full time, there was a lot of grumbling, but Alex, who sits behind me, was very philosophical and echoed my feelings that we had played well and been really unlucky on the day.  We should have finished the chances that we had, but sometimes the post and the opposition keeper frustrate you.  Also, while Stoke’s first goal was due to a mistake, the other two came out of nothing, with the third appearing to be a complete fluke.  Watford had been very positive going forward and Cucho had a magnificent game, proving that blonds don’t always have more fun.  He worked well with Fletcher, who got into some great positions and deserved his goal.  Tufan’s debut was impressive and, if he continues in that vein, he will soon become a fan favourite.  Ngakia was at fault for the first goal, but he didn’t let it affect him and put in a decent performance after that.  So, there were plenty of positives to take out of a game which was far better than the scoreline suggested.

Also, in contrast to the Palace game, I arrived at the Junction to see that the 10:05 (fast train to Euston) was sitting on Platform 9.  I boarded with a couple of minutes to spare, so my journey home was painless and I was indoors at a very civilised hour.

There is no harm in no longer having the distraction of this cup which, given the attendance was only 8,421, is hardly a priority for the fans.  We can now look forward to the visit of Newcastle on Saturday and the hope that we can build on the positives from the Norwich game.

An Away Game at Last

Ashley Fletcher

Another pre-season friendly and I was ridiculously excited at the idea of going to an away game after so long.  Having moved into London last year, the journey to Stevenage was beautifully simple.  A walk to Finsbury Park and then 20 minutes on the train.  I managed to catch an earlier train than intended so was in Stevenage nice and early.  I took a different (wrong) route to the ground, but it meant that I walked through the overpass to the Town Centre which has a series of photographs celebrating the great and the good of the town, which I rather liked.  Also, I now know who Gordon Craig is.

The walk to the pub took me past the ground, which was all locked up, but I couldn’t help pausing to gaze through the gates at the pitch.

On arrival at the pub, I found the beer garden populated with Norfolk/East Anglian ‘Orns.  So lovely to see them again after so long.  There was another nice surprise when I ordered my drink as the guest ale (Adnams Ghost Ship) was only £1.95 a pint.  I clearly wasn’t in London anymore.

Having missed kick-off the last time we visited, due to getting caught in a huge queue at the turnstiles, we made sure that we left plenty of time to get to the ground.  Our timing was impeccable as we walked through the car park to get to the away end just as Kenny Jackett was getting out of his car.  I greeted him and he replied in kind finishing with a smile and, “Good to see you.”  Oh, I do love him.

Hernandez prepares to take a free kick

The starting line-up was Foster; Okoye-Ahaneku (Trialist), Troost-Ekong, Cathcart, Rose; Gosling, Hernández, Zinckernagel, Sema; Fletcher, Deeney.

The game started disastrously for the Hornets as Cathcart, under pressure, passed the ball into the box straight to Reid who finished past Foster to give the home side a second minute lead.  The mistake was greeted with a chant of “What the f***ing hell was that?”  The home side had a great chance of a second on 5 minutes as a cross was met by List whose header flew just over the bar.  In Watford’s first foray into the Stevenage half, Zinckernagel fed Deeney whose shot was blocked.  The home side immediately launched a counter-attack that finished with a cross from List that was cleared just before it reached his teammate.  Another break from Stevenage finished with a cut back to List who shot over the target.  Watford’s first on target attempt came on 21 minutes as Fletcher tried a shot through the crowd that was easy gathered by the Stevenage keeper, Anang.  Deeney then had a decent chance as he chested a cross down but his shot was high and wide.  At the other end, Reid cut inside and shot goalwards, but Foster made a comfortable save, although the shot was going wide anyway.  Sema was the next to try his luck when he got on the end of a ball over the top, but the keeper gathered.  Then a lovely free kick was met by the head of Cathcart whose effort was just over the bar.  List, who was having a great game for the home side, impressed with a decent turn and shot but Foster was down to make the save.  With 8 minutes of the half remaining, the Hornets grabbed an equaliser as Fletcher crossed for Sema to head home.

Troost-Ekong, Deeney, Wise and Hernandez gather for a corner

At half time, we went to see Fuzz and Don who were down the front.  They were telling us how helpful the staff had been at Stevenage with disabled parking and getting into the ground.  While we were there, Carl, the Stevenage Supporter Liaison Officer, appeared with a teamsheet for Don, who had expressed his disappointment at the lack of a programme.  Carl told us that he had taken a lot of advice from Dave Messenger, we assured him that he was learning from the best.  As we returned to our seats, it was good to see a lot of familiar faces.

There was a raft of changes for the Hornets at the start of the second half with Sema, Fletcher, Gosling, Zinckernagel and Cathcart making way for Baah, Mebude, Wise, Lo-Everton and Abbott.  There was some lovely interplay between Lo-Everton and Hernández before Cucho played the ball back to Deeney whose shot was tipped over the bar by Anang.  From the resulting corner, Wise shot high and wide into the crowd behind the goal.  Then Hernández played a square ball to Deeney who flicked the ball on to Lo-Everton whose shot was only just wide of the far post. 

Danny Rose

The Hornets made another substitution as Rose came off and was replaced by Morris, the triallist from Saturday.  Rose had put in a good showing and had impressed the travelling Hornets who sang his name as he left the field.  There were further substitutions as Hernández, Foster and Okoye-Ahaneku made way for King, Elliot and Ngakia.  There was little of note in the rest of the half apart from one move when King found Wise on the edge of the box, but his shot was well over the bar.  In the last couple of minutes of the game, there was a loud scream as Mebude went down under a challenge.  He was down being treated for a worryingly long time.  In the end, the stretcher appeared and the final whistle was blown.  There was an ambulance waiting outside the ground but, thankfully, he was quickly discharged and it appears that there was no serious injury.

So another pre-season game that didn’t tell us a great deal apart from the fact that Danny Rose looks as though he has got something to prove.  It was good to see a number of the youngsters get some game time as well.  Lo-Everton and Wise both looked good.  But, all in all, it was just lovely to be back in an away ground.  Life is finally getting back to some semblance of normality.

Return to Vicarage Road

It has been a long time in coming but I still can’t quite believe that it has been 7 months since I last visited Vicarage Road.  Watford’s pre-season should have comprised visits from Udinese and Nantes, but COVID intervened, so our glamourous opponents were replaced with West Brom and Barnsley.  I can’t say that I was bothered, I was just happy to be returning to see a live football match.

Xisco in the dugout

I arrived at Euston to find that the trains to Watford were all delayed.  Nothing new there then.  But I managed to find an empty carriage to travel in and I soon got my first glimpse of the floodlights.  Emerging from the station, I found that the square outside has been completely revamped, with a ‘Watford’ sculpture and benches.  But I had no time to hang around and was soon at the West Herts.  That was also undergoing transformation, so only the function room was open, but Don was sitting outside, so it was time to catch up on lost time.  He told me that he had bought a smart phone.  I had to laugh.  Years of a pay-as-you-go Nokia brought to an end by Watford going to mobile ticketing.  Our crew was rather depleted for this game, but Mike and Rose eventually appeared and we had a couple of relaxing pints.  We left for the ground rather later than was wise and saw no Watford shirts until we reached Vicarage Road.  Only the turnstiles at the GT end of the Rookery were open and, despite following the instructions on downloading tickets to my phone to the letter, I was unable to gain access, so we had to get a steward to let us in.

We just missed kick-off so also missed the team announcement.  There had been another game played behind closed doors earlier in the day in which the Hornets had been defeated by Brentford, so there was a split squad but the starting line-up was familiar looking with Foster; Ngakia, Troost-Ekong, Cathcart, Masina; Etebo Cleverley Gosling; Sarr, Deeney, Hernández.  Thankfully I recognised all but Etebo.

Sarr waiting for the ball to drop

There was an early chance for the Hornets as Cucho broke down the left and crossed for Sarr in space.  From the other end of the ground, it appeared that the resultant shot was a horrible mis-kick which flew well wide, but replays showed that the ball was actually diverted by a great save by the West Brom keeper, Button.  Xisco was forced to make an early change due to an injury to Masina who was replaced by A Triallist who it appears was James Morris, previously of Southampton.  After a quarter of an hour West Brom had their first chance with a shot through a crowd from Grady, but Foster dropped to make the save.  The visitors had another chance to take the lead as Diangana broke through with only Foster to beat, but the Watford keeper was equal to the shot.  There was a pause for a drinks break half way through the half which may not have been expected after the chilly weather earlier in the day, but it had become quite muggy at this point.  The Hornets had a half chance to take the lead as a cross from Sarr was headed back to Cleverley whose shot into the ground bounced up and was headed clear by Bartley.  The visitors then had a chance of their own, but the shot from Phillips was straight at Foster. 

Deeney, Hernandez and Etebo defending a corner

The Hornets had a wonderful chance to take the lead as Hernández met a cross from Morris with an overhead kick that was blocked, the ball came back to him but his follow-up shot was also blocked.  The Hornets had another decent chance to take the lead as a free kick was from Gosling was cleared off the line, it fell to Cucho, who tried a scissor kick that was blocked, the ball then came out to Cleverley whose shot through the crowd was easily caught by Button.  At this point I found myself engaged in a conversation with our neighbour in the stand about our new sponsor.  He was disgusted that we were engaged with a company that combines the two evils of betting and crypto currency.  This sponsorship has provoked a lot of concern among the fan base.  I must say that, having heard prior to the game that there would be a possibility of getting a shirt without the sponsor on the front, I opted to wait before buying a shirt.  Having seen the children’s shirts without the logo, I much preferred it that way.  Just before half time a low shot from O’Shea was easily gathered by Foster.  The same player then picked up the first booking of the game as he was cautioned for a foul on Cucho.  Hernández took the resulting free kick himself, his effort was cleared off the line, Cleverley’s follow-up was saved.

Foster greeting the Baggies

Before the start of the second half, I noticed that Foster was engaging with the fans at the Vicarage Road end of the Lower GT.  Selfies galore.  He was still there when the second half kicked off with Rob Elliot taking his place in goal.  It was some time into the second half that I realised that the crowd in that area were all from West Brom.  Ben is clearly still loved at his previous club (and why wouldn’t he be?)

There was one other substitution for the Hornets at the break as Mebude, a recent arrival from Glasgow Rangers, replaced Tom Cleverley. 

King and Troost-Ekong ready to pounce

There was a very strong shout for a penalty at the start of the second half as Sarr played a lovely one-two with Deeney before breaking into the box where he was taken down by Livermore.  It looked to be a stonewall penalty from our vantage point behind the goal, but the referee waved play on.  Irritatingly, Sarr, who was not injured in the challenge spent an age on his back in the box, which meant that any upcoming attacks would have left him in an offside position.  That has been a part of his game that has annoyed me for a while, hopefully he will cut it out in league games.  The Hornets then fashioned a brilliant chance as Cucho played a lovely ball to Mebude whose low shot flew just wide of the far post.  This was in front of the Rookery and inspired the crowd into song.  Soon after, Deeney found Sarr in space in the box, he hesitated before taking the shot allowing the defender time to get in position to block his effort.  Sarr threatened again after receiving a lovely flicked ball from Deeney, he broke into the box but his shot was saved by the keeper.  On the hour, the visitors made a triple substitution with Phillips, Diangana and Grant making way for Tulloch, Robinson and Zohore. 

Harry’s shirt expressing our joy at being home

Watford soon made four changes of their own as Sarr, Deeney, Etebo and Hernández were replaced by Pochettino, King, Wise and Crichlow.  King almost made an immediate impact with a lovely cross aimed in the direction of Mebude that was cut out by Clarke.  The visitors had a great chance to take the lead as Robinson jinked into the area, but Elliot did well to save his effort.  With 13 minutes remaining, there were four more subs for the Hornets as Ngakia, Troost-Ekong, Cathcart and Gosling made way for Hall, Langston, Abbott and Smith.  At this point the game became very scrappy and there was no further action of note, so the game finished goalless.

The game wasn’t much to write home about.  West Brom were a lot further into their pre-season, which showed.  The visitors dominated a lot of the play, but the Hornets made the best of the chances.  I never expect anything from pre-season games, but it was a decent workout and there were some very good signs.  Hernandez looked excellent and linked up really well with Sarr.  I hope that can continue into the season, but it may be a transfer window too far for that.  Mebude looked good and Morris, the triallist put in a decent showing. But more important than that, it was wonderful to have a crowd at Vicarage Road cheering the lads on.  That was certainly worth the wait.

Great Performances on and off the Pitch

With Mapps and Will Hughes at the Quiz Night

Thursday evening was the annual quiz night at the club.  My team’s chance of winning was always remote and made even more so when we found that, in addition to the “professional” team who have no connection to the club who turn up every year to be booed as they receive their trophy from a couple of footballers they have never heard of, another team featured Shaun Wallace from the Chase.  I consoled myself by congratulating Will Hughes on his wonderful performance against West Ham and having a long chat with Adrian Mariappa, who told us that Marco Silva reminds him of …. Sean Dyche.

When I booked the train to Newcastle, I was rather surprised to see that the journey time was four hours.  This meant an early start, so I found myself leaving King’s Cross just before 8am.  The train was slightly delayed, so the pub was already open and surprisingly busy, when I arrived but, thankfully, the advance party had secured seats and we were soon joined by the Happy Valley Horns.  There was also a special guest appearance from the lovely Katy, someone that I have “known” for years due to social media connections but have never met before.  It was lovely finally to meet her in person.  As it was her first live game of the season, I hoped that the lads would turn it on for her.

The view from the gods

For the walk to the ground, we took a slightly different route than usual, which took us around the city walls, just gorgeous. Every time that I visit Newcastle I am reminded what a beautiful city it is.  The walk to St James’s Park is all uphill, but that is just the appetiser before the trek up to Level 7.  As we climbed, there were posters warning about the dangers and penalties for pyrotechnics.  One dire warning suggested that you could end up in A&E.  I was concerned that the walk to the gods was more likely to send me there.

Team news was that Femenía had recovered from his injury, so Silva named an unchanged side from the West Ham game.  The starting line-up was Gomes; Mariappa, Kabasele, Britos; Femenía, Cleverley, Doucouré, Zeegelaar; Hughes, Richarlison; Gray.

The home side had the first chance of the game as Murphy put a dangerous cross into the box, but the terrible miss-hit by Joselu was a sign of how their day would go.  Watford’s first chance came from a corner, Hughes played it back across goal to Mariappa, whose overhead kick was blocked.  At the other end, Ritchie finished a run with a shot that was wide of the near post and into the side netting.

Zeegelaar and Hughes congratulated after the first goal

Some lovely interplay from the visitors finished with a shot from distance from Hughes that cleared the bar.  The youngster was in action in our box soon after, putting in a crucial tackle to prevent a shot, this allowed the Hornets to launch a counter attack that resulted in a through ball to Richarlison whose shot was tipped wide by Elliot.  The first booking of the afternoon went to Shelvey for a tackle from behind on Britos.  The Hornets took the lead on 19 minutes.  Kabasele played a gorgeous cross-field ball to Zeegelaar, who crossed back for Hughes to fire past Elliot for his second goal in as many games.  Watford should have scored a second soon after as Zeegelaar crossed again, this time for Doucouré, who turned the ball just wide.  A dangerous looking break from Newcastle was stopped when Kabasele made a superb block to stop the shot from Joselu.  The first caution for Watford came as Zeegelaar was cautioned for taking Ritchie down.  The Hornets had a great chance to increase their lead on the half hour as a series of shots were blocked in the box, but nobody was able to test Elliot.  Gomes was called into action just after the half hour as he came to punch a cross into the box.  Then Joselu tried a shot from an angle that Gomes saved.  The home side had a strong finish to the half, but Watford went in at the break two goals ahead as Zeegelaar broke and hit a cross that was turned into his own net by Yedlin.

Richarlison congratulates Zeegelaar on the second goal

The travelling Hornets were all smiles at half-time.  It had been an entertaining half of football and, after Newcastle had a decent late spell in the half, the second goal had calmed a lot of nerves and we felt confident of getting a result.

Watford should have scored a third at the beginning of the second half as Gray went on a wonderful run into the box but, with the goal at his mercy, he managed to fire wide.  He had a chance to redeem himself soon after, exchanging passes with Hughes before taking his chance, but the shot was blocked.  The ball found its way to Richarlison on the edge of the area, but his shot flew wide.  Watford’s first substitution saw Prödl coming on for Britos, who was limping.  Another great chance went begging as Richarlison broke into the box and should have buried it, but hesitated before shooting, allowing the defender to get into position to make the block, the follow-up from Hughes was also blocked.  There was a decent chance at the other end as Murphy met a cross from Yedlin, but the header was poor and flew wide of the target.  Watford attacked yet again through Zeegelaar, who had the freedom of the left wing, he crossed for Gray but the header was over the bar.

Gray celebrating his goal

The former Burnley man got his goal just after the hour mark as Richarlison broke forward and crossed for Gray to poke it past Elliot from close range.  Newcastle hadn’t given up and should have pulled one back as Joselu slid in to shoot, but Gomes got a hand to the ball to keep it out.  Benitez made his first substitutions bringing Merino and Mitrovic on for Diame and Joselu.  Mitrovic tried to make an early impression as he broke into the box but the shot was poor and Gomes was down to make an easy save.  There was a change for each side with just over 10 minutes to go as Pérez replaced Murphy for the home side and Pereyra came on for Richarlison for the visitors.   Pérez had a chance to pull one back for the Magpies, but his shot from just inside the box was over the bar.  Gray could have made it four for the Hornets after he was released by Prödl, he had only the keeper to beat, but passed it into Elliot’s arms.  Silva made a final change bringing Carrillo on for Hughes, who went off to a huge ovation from the fans up in the gods, which he acknowledged, so we knew the players could hear us.  Newcastle had another attempt to spare their blushes, but Kabasele did brilliantly to block the shot from Mitrovic.  Watford had one last chance to score a fourth, but their swift counter attack finished with Cleverley shooting over from distance.  There was only time for Prödl to be booked for a robust (and unnecessary) tackle on Mitrovic and the final whistle went on a convincing win for the Hornets.  To add insult to injury, the big screen was displaying the winning ticket in the Match day draw with a code that started with WFC.

We were all smiles in the away stand.  It had been a convincing win against a team that we have to consider to be rivals.  There were some outstanding performances.  Will Hughes impressed again, as did Zeegelaar and Kabasele.

Ricarlison on the ball

As I waited at the station for the train home, Miles Jacobson appeared and kindly kept me company for the journey home.  Our first encounter was with a disappointed Newcastle fan who observed, “You had a good day, bonny lass.”  I have always loved Geordies.  Then our neighbours on the train were a father and son, who I recognised from away trips, who were having a joint birthday celebration.  My comment that we had been fantastic was met with some scepticism and a discussion of the negatives from the performance, which gave me pause for thought.  It is true that Gray looks like he lacks a bit of confidence, he was terribly wasteful in front of goal and really should have had a hat-trick, but he still managed to get on the scoresheet.  Richarlison didn’t have the best of games, but he provided an assist and the attention that the Newcastle defence paid to him certainly contributed to Zeegelaar having a tremendous amount of space to play in to provide the assists for the other goals.  Despite the concerns, we all agreed that being able to win convincingly when not at our best has to be a good thing.

The icing on the cake was the news (first heard from Don Fraser) that one of the supporters’ coaches had broken down in the Derby area on the way to the game and the fans had been transported to Newcastle in taxis at the club’s expense.  Well done to Watford for that.   It is good to see that for our club, the fans matter after all.  These really are the good old days.